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MISSKELLEY STATEMENT 1994

JESSIE MISSKELLEY STATEMENT 1994

[Note: This is a transcription of the taped second statement of Jessie Misskelley, Jr. regarding the murder of Chris Byers, Steve Branch and Michael Moore]

STATEMENT OF JESSIE MISSKELLEY, JR.

FEBRUARY 17, 1994

DAVIS: I've turned the other recorder on for the purposes of this tape. We are at the offices of Joe Calvin attorney. It's 8:02 p.m. on February 17, 1994. Present in the room is Greg Crow.

CROW: Present

DAVIS: And Jessie Misskelley, Jr.

MISSKELLEY: Present

DAVIS: Dan Stidham.

STIDHAM: I'm here.

DAVIS: Joe Calvin.

CALVIN: Present.

DAVIS: And myself, Brent Davis. Now Jessie before we start this would you raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you god.

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

DAVIS: Ok. Now for purposes of the record I want it to reflect that number 1, Mr. Stidham and myself have talked with Judge Burnett and advised of these proceedings. And after discussing this with him he approved or said that we could take a statement with Mr. Misskelley's attorneys present.

STIDHAM: Over my objections.

DAVIS: Over Mr. Stidham's objections. Also for Mr. Misskelley's benefit this statement will be taken with a grant of use of immunity approved by the Court which means that anything in this statement cannot be used in any proceeding against Jessie Misskelley, Jr. in the future, down the road, whatever. Ah, also for the record and ah, Mr. Stidham can add to this. But it's my understanding that any statement Mr. Misskelley gives will be against the advise of his attorney Mr. Stidham and Mr. Crow.

CROW: That's correct.

DAVIS: And for the record that they have requested of the Judge that it be delayed until the Psychiatric Evaluation could be performed. And that the Court indicated that this statement could be taken before that evaluation over the objection of Mr. Stidham.

(Stidham’s objection was due to the fact that the Prosecution’s lawyer’s had met with Jessie when he was not present (unethical) and talked him into making another statement**See further explanation in snippet from Dan Stidham’s Synopsis of the case that accompanies these statements.)

STIDHAM: That's correct.

DAVIS: And that this statement will be tape recorded and a copy of that tape or that tape will be provided to defense counsel and that at this point no promises have been made as to any deals or any benefits that will be granted to Mr. Misskelley as a result of this statement.

________: There has been no negotiations whatsoever primarily due to Mr. Misskelley's refusal to talk to us.

DAVIS: Now if you would will you state your name.

STIDHAM: Before you get started with that I would like to make a reference in regard to what I have and have not advised Mr. Misskelley of tonight.

DAVIS: You might need to speak up.

STIDHAM: Ok. Jessie can you hear me.

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I can hear you.

STIDHAM: I want you to listen very carefully to what I've got to tell you, ok. I told you earlier that I had some new evidence, is that correct ?

MISSKELLEY: That's what you said.

STIDHAM: And I told you that this new evidence may ..ah.. that I plan on filing a motion for a new trial and that the Court could possibly grant you a new trial based on this evidence.

MISSKELLEY: That's what you said.

STIDHAM: Ok, I also told you that giving a statement was against my advise and wishes.

MISSKELLEY: That's what you said.

STIDHAM: Ok. I am advising you that I don't think it's a good idea for you to give this statement. Do you understand that ?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

STIDHAM: OK. Do you understand that Mr. Crow is giving you the same advise?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

STIDHAM: You need to speak up a little louder Jessie.

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

_________: One second, I may have to fix this.

STIDHAM: So you understand that my advise to you is that you not say anything. Do you understand that?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

STIDHAM: And your 18 years old and you understand that I've asked for a Mental Evaluation.

MISSKELLEY: I don't know if you did or not.

STIDHAM: I asked the Court if I could have an opportunity to get you the Psychiatric help that you asked for when I was down in Pine Bluff on Tuesday. Do you remember asking for that?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

STIDHAM: You asked me to get you a Psychiatrist?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I said I need help.

STIDHAM: And that's why I asked the Judge for the opportunity to get you that evaluation before you make any statement. Do you understand that?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

STIDHAM: And you also understand that again it's my advise that you not talk or give any kind of statement here tonight ..ah.. until we have a chance to file a motion for a new trial and get your Psychiatric Evaluations complete. Do you understand that?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I do.

STIDHAM: And it is your decision to go ahead and make this statement anyway?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

STIDHAM: You still what to give a statement despite my advise and counsel?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, cause I want something done about it.

(Done about what? There has been much speculation as to what Jessie is actually referring to here. He is not clear that he is talking about the murders and there has been a great deal of speculation that he may be referring to deals that were allegedly offered to him in return for his testimony in the Echols/Baldwin trial)

STIDHAM: Ok. So ..um.. is there any part of what I just told you that you don't understand?

MISSKELLEY: No.

STIDHAM: You understand everything?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

STIDHAM: And you want to make my statement regardless of my advise against doing so?

MISSKELLEY: Yep.

STIDHAM: Do you want to have an opportunity to talk to anyone else, father or anyone before you make a statement?

MISSKELLEY: I might need to talk to my father. But I'm not for sure.

STIDHAM: It's your decision, your 18 years old.

MISSKELLEY: Yes, I am.

STIDHAM: Do you want to talk to your father or not?

MISSKELLEY: No I can go ahead and do it.

STIDHAM: Do you realize that once you make this statement there is no turning back?

MISSKELLEY: I know there's no turning back.

STIDHAM: Anything you want to add to that Greg.

CROW: Jessie. You realize that I don't always agree with everything that Dan says but this time I agree with him. I don't think you should say anything. Do you know that? Are you aware of the fact that I don't think you should say anything?

MISSKELLEY: Yea, I understand what your saying.

CROW: Ok, along as you understand that. But you want to anyway, is that right?

MISSKELLEY: Right cause I want something done.

CROW: Ok.

CALVIN: Let me ask you a couple of questions before you get into it ..ah.. Jessie when you were brought here ..ah.. since you've been here with the Deputy Sheriff. I think you got here about 5:00, is that correct?

MISSKELLEY: Somewhere around 5:00.

CALVIN: Ok, now nobody has questioned you anything about what happened is that correct?

MISSKELLEY: Nope.

CALVIN: Ok, How have we treated you?

MISSKELLEY: Nice.

CALVIN: Ok, has anybody been rude to you or anything?

MISSKELLEY: No.

CALVIN: Now we got you a Cheeseburger Sandwich and I asked Mr. Crow on the telephone if that was alright and he said that was perfectly alright. And I went and purchased you a Cheeseburger, is that correct?

MISSKELLEY: Yes, sir.

CALVIN: And you had a few, I think I gave you a couple of diet Cokes. I don't know if you drank'm all but you drank those, is that correct?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

CALVIN: But you haven't been promised anything for your testimony and you want to give it free and voluntarily.

MISSKELLEY: Yea.

CALVIN: And nobody's mistreating you?

MISSKELLEY: Nope.

CALVIN: Ok.

DAVIS: Would you state your name please Jessie?

MISSKELLEY: Jessie Lloyd Misskelley, Jr.

DAVIS: And Jessie, how old are you?

MISSKELLEY: 18

DAVIS: What's your birthday?

MISSKELLEY: July 10, 1975.

DAVIS: Ok and where were you residing prior to the time you were arrested? Before you were arrested?

MISSKELLEY: Highland Trailer Park.

DAVIS: Ok. Now I want to draw your attention back to the date the three (3) little boys were murdered. Ah.. if you would on that date did you go to Robinhood Woods.

MISSKELLEY: Yes sir I did.

DAVIS: Ok and who did you go there with?

MISSKELLEY: Damien and Jason.

DAVIS: And when you went there, what happened when you got to the woods ?

MISSKELLEY: We sit there for a while and then three (3) little boys came up.

DAVIS: Ok what was. Had you had anything to drink or had you done any drugs, anything like that prior to that time. Or during that time?

MISSKELLEY: I was drinking.

DAVIS: Ok what were you drinking?

MISSKELLEY: Whiskey and.. <inaudible>

DAVIS: And do you recall whether it was daylight or dark when you got to the woods?

MISSKELLEY: And do you recall whether it was daylight or dark when you got to the woods?

MISSKELLEY: It was still daylight.

DAVIS: And do you know, do you have any idea what time it was about when you got to the woods?

MISSKELLEY: No I don't.

(Now Jessie has no idea what time it was when he got to the woods after stating times in two prior statements. Recall, in his last statement when he entered the woods he stated it was getting dark.)

DAVIS: Ok, now where did you enter the woods from?

MISSKELLEY: Ah.. by a bridge.

DAVIS: Ok. What kind of bridge was it?

MISSKELLEY: It was on the serv, on the service road.

(In previous statements Jessie says he enters the woods via a path not a bridge. The only bridge that is near the service road that would lead into woods is near the 14^th Street woods, not the woods behind the Blue Beacon where the bodies were found; this is an entirely separate stretch of woods that is down the street.)

DAVIS: Ok. Ah.. you entered the woods by a bridge near the service road.

MISSKELLEY: ..Uhm.. (yes)

DAVIS: Ok. When you, who was with you at that point?

MISSKELLEY: Jason and Damien.

DAVIS: Where did you get with them?

MISSKELLEY: Lakeshore.

(In previous statements Jessie insinuates that he meets Damien and Jason in the woods, near the “crime scene”)

DAVIS: And was there anybody else with you?

MISSKELLEY: Nope.

DAVIS: Ok. And when you entered the woods near that bridge what happened next?

MISSKELLEY: We just sit out there and started drinking ..inaudible.., we heard some noise, me and Jason hid and ..ah.. Damien just sit there and then all of a sudden he hid and then three (3) little boys come up and we jumped'm.

(In previous statements Jessie claims Damien or Jason called out to the boys and then the boys came to them)

DAVIS: When you say that, what, prior to the boys coming up what was Damien doing?

MISSKELLEY: He was just getting ..inaudible.. waiting for'm?

DAVIS: Ok. Was he drinking to?

MISSKELLEY: Uhm.. (yes).

DAVIS: What was he drinking?

MISSKELLEY: He was drinking beer?

DAVIS: And what about Jason?

MISSKELLEY: Same thing.

DAVIS: Ok. Did they appear to be intoxicated?

MISSKELLEY: To me they was.

(No beer cans/bottles were reportedly found at the site the bodies were found)

DAVIS: Ok what about you? Were you, did you drink to the point you were intoxicated?

MISSKELLEY: I drunk to a point I was sick.

(No vomit was found at or near the site)

DAVIS: Ok. And when you drank, drink anything with the Whiskey?

MISSKELLEY: No.

DAVIS: Ok. What brand was it?

DAVIS: Evan Williams.

DAVIS: Ok. Where did you get that from?

MISSKELLEY: Vicky Hutchison.

DAVIS: Ok. Was there anybody with you when you got that?

MISSKELLEY: No.

DAVIS: Did, were you the only one there when you got Evan Williams from her?

MISSKELLEY: Yea.

DAVIS: Ok. And how much, when did you make arrangements for her to get that.

MISSKELLEY: During that day.

DAVIS: Ok.

MISSKELLEY: I don't know what time.

DAVIS: Where had you been right before hooking up or getting with Damien and Jason?

MISSKELLEY: Well that morning I went to W. Memphis roofing.

DAVIS: Ok. And about what time did you get through roofing?

MISSKELLEY: Well I got off at dinner time.

DAVIS: Ok. And after you got off at dinner time, where, what were you doing right before you met up with Jason and Damien, where had you been?

MISSKELLEY: Highland Trailer Park.

DAVIS: Ok. And had you seen anybody in Highland Trailer Park right before you left to meet up with those two (2)?

MISSKELLEY: Yes.

DAVIS: Ok and who had you seen?

MISSKELLEY: Louie, Susie, Stephanie, Pat, Boomer ..um.. Cody, Stephanie, Bobbie, you know some cop and there was some more people I couldn't tell you.

DAVIS: Ok. So. And so it was after, was it do you have any idea what time it was when you left the Trailer Park, approximately?

MISSKELLEY: I don't know what time it was. I didn't have my watch.

(This is when the was the altercation at Highland Trailer Park. The police report read 6:30. Jessie was reported to be seen leaving there as late as 6:30, stating he was going to wrestling. Also, no one who sees Jessie mentions seeing him carrying a whisky bottle or a bag of any kind.)

DAVIS: Ok. And where were you when, as far as between the Trailer Park and Robinhood Woods when you ran into or came across Jason and Damien.

MISSKELLEY: I went to Lakeshore.

DAVIS: Ok. Is there where you meet them?

MISSKELLEY: Uhm.. (yes)

DAVIS: Ok. Where were they when you meet them?

MISSKELLEY: By the ..um.. by the Interstate.

DAVIS: Ok. Did you know ahead of time you were going to meet'm there?

MISSKELLEY: Yea.

DAVIS: Ok. And how did you know that?

MISSKELLEY: It well Damien, I talked to him a couple times, and he wanted me to go W. Memphis with him and Jason and find some girls. And I went.

DAVIS: Did you know what, did you know what you were going for or what was going to happen?

MISSKELLEY: No, I didn't.

DAVIS: Now, how did you get from Lakeshore to the woods? What route did you take?

MISSKELLEY: We walked by ..ah.. Walmart and went on the Service Road.

(There was no report of seeing the boys and certainly no report of seeing any boys drinking on the road or carrying alcohol)

DAVIS: Ok. Do you remember what Damien was wearing?

MISSKELLEY: <inaudible>

DAVIS: Ok.

CALVIN: You may need to speak up just a little bit more.

MISSKELLEY: I can't remember to this day.

DAVIS: Ok. Do you remember what Jason's wearing?

MISSKELLEY: No I don't, I can remember what I was wearing.

DAVIS: What were you wearing?

MISSKELLEY: I was wearing a white shirt, had a basketball, something on the front of it and I had bluejeans, greasy, and white and blue addids.

DAVIS: Ok. Now, when you, after you got in the wood. Do you have any idea how long you were in the woods before the kids came up?

MISSKELLEY: Not very long.

DAVIS: Ok. Now, where were you in relation to the creek that runs through the woods. Do you know what I am talking about when I say there's a creek running through it?

MISSKELLEY: Yea, the creek that goes up under the bridge.

DAVIS: Ok, the one that, the creek that runs under the

MISSKELLEY: Bridge.

DAVIS: Service Road. Ok. Where were ya'll in the creek, out of the creek.

MISSKELLEY: Out of the creek.

DAVIS: Ok. Were all three (3) of ya out of the creek?

(Previous statements have Jessie putting Damien and Jason in the water “playing”)

MISSKELLEY: Yea.

DAVIS: Ok. And were you, were you on the Blue Beacon side or the Memphis side of the creek?

<PROBLEM WITH TAPE>

DAVIS: Let me ask that again. The creek that runs under the Service Road and into Robinhood Woods.

MISSKELLEY: Right.

DAVIS: Ok. One side of it's the Blue Beacon side and one side of it's closer to Memphis. One side's, were ya'll on the Blue Beacon side or on the Memphis side of that creek.

MISSKELLEY: Blue Beacon.

DAVIS: Ok. And which was, where did the boys come from? Or do you know?

MISSKELLEY: I don't know.

(Previous statements have Jessie stating the children “came up on their bikes”; insinuating that he could see them, therefore would know what direction they came from)

DAVIS: When did you first know they were in the woods?

MISSKELLEY: All I know is I heard these little kids holler.

DAVIS: Ok. And what happened at that point?

MISSKELLEY: And Damien started making some noises to get their attention and they come over where we was at.

DAVIS: When you say he made noises to get their attention, what, what'd he do?

MISSKELLEY: Holler a little bit.

DAVIS: Ok. And when they came over what happened?

MISSKELLEY: And then Ja, Damien jumped on'm. And them other two (2) started beating on Damien and me and Jason jumped on'm.

(Again, there were no wounds of any kind found on Damien, Jason, or Jessie, even when a photo of Damien was taken the day after the bodies were found with his shirt off (Damien is very pale skinned). Additionally, his hands (/fists) showed no signs of having been in a fight or having beaten anyone.

DAVIS: Do you know which was Damien jumped on?

MISSKELLEY: ..um.. one of'm had blond hair. I don't know which one.

(In Jessie’s first statement he gets the boys’ photos confused with their names. In Jessie’s second statement he claims that he knows the boys’ by face and name. Now, after a trial and hearing the names and seeing the faces over and over he does not know which child is which and who Damien allegedly jumped? This makes no sense)

DAVIS: Ok. Which one's were they, which two (2) was it that jumped on Damien when he jumped on the other one?

MISSKELLEY: I can't, I can't remember that.

DAVIS:

MISSKELLEY: Me and Jason jump out and grabbed'm. What happened at that point? Damien jumps on one and the other two (2) jump on him, what happens next?

DAVIS: Alright. Who did you grab?

MISSKELLEY: ..um.. the one that had a, a blue boy scout.

DAVIS: Ok. Who did Jason grab, which, what did that boy looked like that Jason grabbed?

MISSKELLEY: I can't remember. I remember the one I grabbed.

DAVIS: Ok. What was that boy wearing?

MISSKELLEY: I can't remember, I was too messed up to remember that.

DAVIS: You said something about a blue or about a boyscout something. Was one of'm wearing a uniform?

MISSKELLEY: Something with the boyscouts on it.

DAVIS: Ok. Now when you grabbed one and Jason grabbed one what happened next?

MISSKELLEY: We started hitting'm.

DAVIS: With what?

MISSKELLEY: Fist at first.

DAVIS: Ok. Where describe to me what Ja, what you saw Jason do?

MISSKELLEY: He <inaudible> first he cut one of'm on a face on his left side just a little bit like a scratch. Then ..ah.. he went to the other one and got on top of him, started hitting him and then <inaudible> pull one of'm pants down and get on top of'm and cut'm.

DAVIS: Ok. Now you said that he first hit somebody, hit one of'm and cut him on the left side of his face. Ok was that a different person then the one he jumped on a cut with the knife.

MISSKELLEY: To my knowledge, yea, a different person.

DAVIS: What were you doing at this time?

MISSKELLEY: I was still hitting that one.

DAVIS: Ok. What were you hitting him with?

MISSKELLEY: My fist.

DAVIS: Do you know how many time you might have hit'm?

MISSKELLEY: ..Um..<inaudible>

DAVIS: Where, what part of his body were you hitting him in?

MISSKELLEY: Face.

DAVIS: Ok.

MISSKELLEY: Head.

(Jessie claims continuously throughout this statement that he beat Michael Moore with his fists. It would seem that Michael was punched for a long time; Michael’s wounds did not indicate such a beating; such as, broken nose, knocked out teeth, fractured facial bones, etc.))

DAVIS: What, what was Damien doing during this time?

MISSKELLEY: Well the one that got cut on his face, he stuck his finger on his cheek and slicked the blood off of it.

DAVIS: That's what, saw Damien do. What else was he doing?

MISSKELLEY: He grabbed one of'm by the ear, I don't know which one, he grabbed on of'm by the ear trying to pull his ear off or something. He grabbed'm pretty tight. It turned kind of red.

(This “grabbing of the ears” was suggested to Jessie in the second statement. When asked if the anything happened above the neck to the children Jessie stated that one was put in a “headlock”; a wrestling term. Jessie still claims that he was going to wrestling this night. This is the first time Jessie is graphic about ear pulling)

DAVIS: Did the, were the kids, the three (3) little boys were they saying anything, doing anything during this ?

MISSKELLEY: They were saying Stop, Stop.

DAVIS: Ok. And what about the boy that you were hitting, was he saying that?

MISSKELLEY: Yea, he was telling me stop and then I stopped and Damien told me, no, no don't stop. And I got on'm again.

(There were no reports that night of any disturbance of any kind in that area, even though the site where the bodies were found is very close to the back of the Blue Beacon Truck Wash and very close to the Service Road. In recent years people have traveled to West Memphis to look at the alleged crime scene and have reported being able to over hear parts of conversations people were having in the parking lot of the BB from the “crime scene”, which would lead one to believe that screaming could be heard; but that is speculation.)

DAVIS: Ok. Now did anybody, At what point, or at this point when your doing that did they have their clothes on?

MISSKELLEY: Even when we hitting.

DAVIS: Ok. Were they, at some point did they get hit with anything besides your fist?

MISSKELLEY: Stick.

DAVIS: Who hit'm with a stick?

MISSKELLEY: Damien, I hit, I hit one of'm with a stick and

(No blood was found on any of the children’s discarded clothing)

DAVIS: Now. When you say that, do you remember what kind of stick Damien had, you saw those sticks we had in Court.

MISSKELLEY: No, I didn't look at them. I know there's a stick <inaudible> craved something into it or something. You know part of the bark off of it.

DAVIS: Do you know how long it was? Was it as long as a baseball bat or longer or?

MISSKELLEY: it was longer than a baseball bat.

DAVIS: Ok. Describe for me what it looked like as far as, you say it looked like someone craved on it?

MISSKELLEY: Like a piece of the bark off of it.

DAVIS: Was that at the end or middle or bottom or do you remember?

MISSKELLEY: I can't remember.

(Jessie has never made these statements about the sticks before. The sticks were brought into evidence as “possible murder weapons”; there was no DNA to link them to the crime and the were brought into evidence months after the murders. Jessie is now describing the sticks that were in court, approximately)

DAVIS: Now.

CALVIN: Jessie in order to make sure that picks it up you need to talk up a little.

MISSKELLEY: Oh. I can't remember.

DAVIS: Ok. Now when you were hit, when, when you say that you were hitting'm and Jason and Damien were hitting'm. Were the boys still conscious at that point? The little boys.

MISSKELLEY: Yea.

DAVIS: Ok. At what point were you, did you notice or did you ever see them when they didn't appear to be conscious? Or they appeared to be knocked out?

MISSKELLEY: No.

DAVIS: Ok. Now at any point did you, were you there the whole time while this was going on?

MISSKELLEY: ..Uhm.. (yes).

DAVIS: Ok. How far were you from Damien and Jason?

MISSKELLEY: I was pre, pretty good ways from'm.

DAVIS: Ok. When you say no, lets see, <inaudible>

MISSKELLEY: Bout from here to that door over there.

DAVIS: Ok. Door outside this building?

MISSKELLEY: No the door to the next room over there.

DAVIS: Ok. So it's been a, about say 10 yards or something.

MISSKELLEY: Something like that, maybe not even that far.

DAVIS: And could you see what they were doing?

MISSKELLEY: I didn't pay any attention to them, I just kept on hitting that one.

DAVIS: Ok. And was that, was that the boy you had, the boy with the Cub Scout uniform on.

MISSKELLEY: Uhm.. (yes).

DAVIS: Ok. Now what did Jas, what did you see Jason and Damien do to the other two (2)?

MISSKELLEY: Well Damien <inaudible> screw one of'm.

(Still no evidence of rape of the children)

DAVIS: When your saying he going screw him, what did you see him do?

MISSKELLEY: Well he was gonna stick his penis in that little boys behind.

DAVIS: Ok. Alright.

MISSKELLEY: As far as I am concerned he did.

DAVIS: When you say he was going to, what did you see Damien do and what happened between him and that little boy as far as that goes?

MISSKELLEY: I don't understand what....

DAVIS: Ok. You said that he was going to screw the little or stick his penis in his behind. What did you see Damien do?

MISSKELLEY: They didn't do it, he was going to it, then they didn't

(When pressed for details, Jessie switches gear completely and now for the frist time says no rape actually occurred, switching gears completely from his statement two sentences earlier that “As far as I’m concerned he did.” Easier to switch gears than to admit he had no idea because it didn’t happen)

DAVIS: Ok. What was it that Damien did that made you think he was gonna do that?

MISSKELLEY: Well I seen the boys pants down.

DAVIS: How did his pants get down?

MISSKELLEY: He pulled'm.

DAVIS: Who pulled'm?

MISSKELLEY: Damien.

DAVIS: Ok. And did the boy, was the boy running when that happened or was he trying to get away or what was happening ?

MISSKELLEY: Well he was kicking his feet.

DAVIS: Ok. And what else did Damien do besides pull his pants down, the little boys pants down. That made you think that he was gonna screw him?

MISSKELLEY: What, what'd you mean?

DAVIS: What, what did you see, you said that Damien pulled his pants, the little boys pants down. Did you see Damien do anything else that indicated he was gonna screw him?

MISSKELLEY: ..um..

(Again, when pressed for details, Jessie can do more than “ummm.” How about if we just start making suggestions, Brent?)

DAVIS: Ok. Did Damien have his clothes on or did he, at that point.